Why the US is losing the drone war
The Indicator from Planet Money
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🗓️ 6 July 2026
⏱️ 9 minutes
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Today on the show, we talk with Stacie Pettyjohn, the director of the Defense Program at the Center for a New American Security on the three big reasons the U.S. is falling behind.
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| 0:00.0 | NPR. |
| 0:06.2 | This is the indicator from Planet Money. |
| 0:08.0 | I'm Adrian Ma. |
| 0:08.8 | And I'm Patty Hirsch. |
| 0:10.0 | Over the course of history, key advances in technology have made fundamental changes in the way human beings wage war. |
| 0:16.5 | The longbow, gunpowder, the airplane, the tank, the nuke. |
| 0:20.0 | And now, the drone. Drones that can fly |
| 0:23.1 | in swarms over hundreds of miles, sea drones that can attack targets underwater or on the surface, |
| 0:29.4 | and land drones that can move across terrain and hold positions for days, as long as they have |
| 0:34.5 | ammunition. Now, drones were around before the wars in Ukraine and Iran, |
| 0:38.0 | but those conflicts have driven the proliferation of drone technology and made a fundamental |
| 0:42.2 | change in the way we fight. Drones are now embedded in warfare. We've reported earlier this year |
| 0:47.7 | that combating small, cheap drones used by Iran has drained the U.S. military arsenal of expensive high-tech weapons systems. |
| 0:56.3 | So you'd think the U.S., being the world's biggest arms maker and exporter, |
| 1:00.5 | would be right on top of this, right? |
| 1:02.3 | Yeah, you would. You'd think our defense businesses would be dominating the development |
| 1:05.7 | and production of drones and the weapons we need to fight them. |
| 1:08.7 | But they're not. |
| 1:10.2 | And there are a lot of reasons for this. |
| 1:12.2 | On today's show, we're going to focus on just three. That's coming up after the break. |
| 1:22.8 | When it comes to making and selling weapons, the United States is the undisputed heavyweight |
| 1:27.4 | champion of the world. |
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