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So, you've looked at the US defense needs for a long time.

Is this the worst you've seen it?

I can't think of a time where the international security environment was as complicated as

it was and places as many potential conflicting demands on US forces as this situation good.

Russia and China in particular, but other actors in the international arena particularly

would be nuclear powers, a new nuclear power in North Korea and it would be nuclear power

Iran have studied the way that we fight and that we're prepared to fight and have developed

a suite of capabilities in an asymmetric way that are meant to be able to counter the

kinds of things we can do.

They've learned.

They've learned from what we've done.

They've learned from our success.

I think there's been a disposition to believe that we spend so much money on defense that

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