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Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

Why The Truth Matters More Than Winning (Marcia Clark)

Labyrinths with Amanda Knox

Knox Robinson Productions

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, True Crime, Mental Health

4.41K Ratings

🗓️ 8 July 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

Marcia Clark is a former prosecutor best known for leading the O.J. Simpson trial. Today, she’s a bestselling crime novelist and legal commentator with sharp insights into justice, media, and what it means to be a woman in the public eye. In this episode of Hard Knox, Marcia shares what she’s learned about the human tendency to reduce people to heroes or villains. She breaks down why complexity matters, how to stay grounded in the face of public scrutiny, and what it takes to pursue truth in a system built on sides. It’s a masterclass in ethical resilience and clarity in an age of clickbait and outrage. Subscribe at amandaknox.substack.com for ad-free episodes, bonus Ask Amanda Anything episodes, subscriber only essays, and live video hangouts. X: @amandaknox IG: @amamaknox Bluesky: @⁠amandaknox.com⁠ Free: My Search for Meaning Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I had the absolute pleasure of speaking to Pamela Anderson.

0:04.2

All thanks to the Dove Self-Eesteem Project.

0:07.1

We speak about the impact Y2K has had on women's body confidence and how Pamela has regained control.

0:12.9

The Dove Self-Esteen project is an amazing initiative supported by science-backed methodology

0:17.8

to help us improve our relationship with our bodies.

0:20.8

To find more body confidence-building exercises, go to dove.com forward slash Y2K.

0:26.5

That's Y2K-Selt W-H-Y-2K.

0:32.6

I'm Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.

0:36.7

Music Amanda Knox, and you're listening to Hard Knocks.

0:46.3

Marsha, I'm so thrilled that you're here on Hard Knocks.

0:52.1

I've been so curious to talk to you for so long because we have like this weird, backwards connections connection through like awkward circumstances and and also

0:59.2

I like I learned so much about you in this book which surprised me and so anyway your new book

1:07.3

is trial by ambush murder injustice and the truth about the case of Barbara Graham.

1:14.1

And I'm really excited to talk to you about it.

1:17.2

First of all, so can you tell me what brought you to this case and why you wanted to write about it?

1:27.3

You know, it was an accident.

1:28.5

I was looking at another case completely, and I had not heard of the Barber Graham case.

1:34.1

But once I did start looking into it, it was actually the first thing I thought was I'm

1:38.7

never going to write about this because it was like its own case of the century, trial of

1:42.8

the century.

1:43.3

It was a big deal, got national coverage and a ton of local coverage by all the newspapers.

1:50.0

And back then there were a ton of them, you know, and they were all pretty tabloidy other than the New York Times.

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