All right. Welcome listeners to episode 88 of New York Enemy. I'm

Matt Sittman, your podcast co-host. I'm here as always with my great friend Sam

Mother Bell. Hey Sam, hi Matt. What we got cooked up for listeners today?

This is a great topic.

I'm excited that we had an opportunity to talk about it, which is about the rights

long infatuation with dictators abroad. It didn't start with Putin and Orbán. It started a long time

before that as listeners will know well, you know, Franco, Mussolini, Hitler.

South Africa, among others. Yeah. and we had a great guest talk about that who did we have on that that's right we had my friend

Jacob hauberan who is an editor at the national interest. A Neo-Con!

Not a Neo-Con at.

He's a great foe of the Neo-Con's.

But the occasion for us having him on was he just

published a book called America Last,

the right century-long romance with foreign dictators published by Liverwright,

which is one of the imprints at Norton, and the book was out February 20th.

And I did, I will admit, admit as full disclosure I was one of the

blurbers for the book oh wow as was the patron saint of the podcast Sam Tannen House it's a. That's right. We gave it our imprimatur and as the promotional

copy succinctly puts it, a leading journalist and public intellectual explains the long disturbing

history behind the rights

of embrace the foreign dictators from Kaiser Ville helm and Mussolini to Putin and

Orbán. And Jacob was just a great guest. I love talking to him. He's really smart in areas that Sam you and I don't think we would call our like strong suits which is kind of foreign policy international affairs. So this was a kind of different episode, kind of looking at the right from a slightly different

angle, which was great and why we really wanted to have this conversation which Jacob was really

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