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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

Why the PM has to go: Miatta Fahnbulleh on being the first minister to break with Starmer

Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

BBC

News, Politics

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

The former Communities Minister Miatta Fahnbulleh, who was the first Minister to resign from Keir Starmer's government after the elections, discusses reaching breaking point, who should lead Labour now, and why she's terrified of where politics is going.

She also talks about her experience as a civil servant working with Conservative Ministers, and why her children are her toughest critics.

Senior Producer: Hannah Wilkinson Producer: Flora Murray Sound: Jack Wilfan Editor: Giles Edwards

Transcript

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0:00.0

What an extraordinary week it has been in British politics.

0:10.7

After the clobbering Labour got in last week's elections, everything is up for grabs.

0:18.1

My guest on political thinking was the first minister to resign for the government

0:22.4

demanding the Kyrsama stand aside, and it was a particularly striking resignation.

0:28.2

Mehta von Bula is a rising star in the Labour Party. She's already shaped her party's thinking

0:34.6

before she entered Parliament. She was made a minister just hours after

0:38.8

being elected as an MP. What's more, her criticisms about lack of vision, pace and ambition

0:45.7

have been echoed by Wes Streeting and they come from a woman who knows government from the inside.

0:51.9

As a senior civil servant, under the Conservatives, as well as Labour,

0:56.1

she became an advisor to the Labour Party in opposition and then ran a think tank which influenced

1:01.5

their thinking. She knows how government works or should work or could work. And as a refugee

1:08.5

from Liberia as a child, she's often talked of the price

1:12.5

ordinary people pay when government doesn't work.

1:22.5

Mehta, Farnbulla, welcome to political thinking. Thank you for having me.

1:26.6

Hugely big week, not just for the country and for the Labour Party, but for you, when you make a decision,

1:33.0

less than two years after becoming an MP, already a minister, to throw that up, how difficult

1:40.6

decision is it?

1:41.4

And was it something that you had to ask, family, friends? Am I mad? Or is this the right thing to do?

1:47.6

Yeah, look, it is a tough, tough decision. And it's a really personal one. And I think for me, it's twofold. You know, you're part of a team and don't underestimate it. You know, that set of colleagues, you're all trying to work together to do something for

2:01.2

the country. And at that point, when you walk away, you are walking away from that team.

2:06.0

And, you know, to walk away in order to criticise the boss, that's quite a thing to do.

2:10.8

So, you know, I wrestled with it. I sort of knew in my gut it was the right thing to do.

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