So someone wants to honor the Bible, and they say, no creed but the Bible.

And even though it sounds pious on a surface level, let's just quote the Bible.

Let's just be Bible Christians. Let's just use Bible language to say what we believe.

Every one of us at some point is going to say, well, but yeah, what do we really mean by the kingdom?

And what do I really mean that Jesus died on the cross?

And how do we really interpret this verse?

At which point, you have to do some systematic theology.

You have to try to answer big questions by testing scripture against scripture, and you need to use some other words in order to defend what the Bible really says.

Kevin DeYoung serves as the senior pastor at Christ Covenant Church in Matthews, North Carolina,

an associate professor of systematic theology at Reformed Theological Seminary.

He's written many books for children and

adults, including the biggest story, Bible storybook, Daily Doctrine, and brand new from Crossway,

the Nicene Creed, what you need to know about the most important creed ever written. Kevin,

thanks so much for joining me again on the Crossmate podcast. Great to be with you.

So the Council of Nicaea, it happened in the city of Nicaea in 8325, and we're going to jump into a lot of the details there of what happened, who was there, why it all happened, and how it ultimately led to this thing called the Nicene Creed. But I wonder as a first question about terminology.

So the creed that came from the council in the city of Nicaea is called the Nicaen creed.

And I don't know if our listeners can hear the difference there.

Nicaea was the city, that was the council. But the creed is called the

Nicene Creed. Why isn't it the Nicaan Creed, which is probably actually what often we refer to it as?

And it's even more confusing than that, as you know, because the council that met in 325,

the statement that they came up with, we sometimes call the creed of Nicaea, and then what we

call the Nysine creed, which I guess is just a way of taking the noun, the place name Nicaea,

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