And the Hey everyone it's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Bacha Unger

Sargon who is the author of she's not just the wife of the Prince of Persia for you video game fanatics

but she is also the author of bad news how woke media is undermining democracy.

One of the things I hope you've noticed that we've been trying to do in the past several months is we've tried to up our interview game by only bringing on people who can expand your knowledge of what is actually happening. I mean when you do interviews everybody wants to come on and plug their stuff. We've just started saying no to many of my friends who now hate me and all kinds of people who didn't feel were going to expand your information base.

As a result of this, I find myself reading books as

research and then I can't put them down. I told you that was true of

asked Nada by Maureen Callahan about the Kennedy women. This book,

bad news how woke media is undermining democracy is about the Kennedy women. This book, Bad News, How Woke Media is

undermining Democracy is is first of all it's beautifully written, it's

wonderfully researched, but it also will give you a feeling for the media that you

simply do not have right now. I'm going to read to a

paragraph and then we'll talk to Bacha. Put simply, journalists rising to the

American elite and journalists mainstreaming radical ideas about race

are two sides of the same coin. The recent obsession with identity has allowed

journalists to pretend, indeed to believe they are still speaking truth to power,

still fighting on behalf of the little guy, even after they have themselves ascended

to the ranks of the powerful, even when they are speaking down to an audience

who in more cases than not have less than them on every measurable scale.

It has quite simply been a displacement exercise.

Instead of experiencing economic guilt about rising

inequality and that's their status among America's elite, members of the news

media along with other highly educated liberals have come to believe

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