This is John West, Associate Director of the Center for Science and Culture at Discovery Institute. I'm very pleased today to be talking

with mathematician and philosopher William Dembski, one of the founding fathers of the

Modern Intelligence Design Movement. He's a senior fellow at Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, and in fact, he's one of our original senior fellows.

I have to say I'm a bit envious of him because I only have one doctorate. Bill has not one, but two PhDs. He has a PhD in philosophy

from the University of Illinois at Chicago and another PhD in mathematics from the University

of Chicago. He has done postdoctoral work in math at

MIT and physics at the University of Chicago and in computer science at Princeton.

He has a master's degree in statistics and another one in theology. He's held National Science

Foundation graduate and postdoctoral fellowships and he's the author or

editor of a myriad of influential and path-breaking books starting with the design

inference with Cambridge University Press and including no free lunch the

design revolution debating design from Darwin to DNA intelligent design the

bridge between science and theology, and the nature of nature.

We're talking today because he has just come out with a new mind-stretching book titled Being

as Communion, the metaphysics of information.

Bill, welcome to ID the future and let's talk about your new book.

First of all, what is the message or the theme of this new book?

Good to be with you, John.

Yeah, the book is subtitled metaphysics of information, and so what I'm trying to do is make sense of the world if matter is not the most fundamental thing, but information is.

So what would the world look like if at its heart information is the basic stuff of reality. A lot of people have been

talking about this over the years, Paul Davies, John Wheeler, but trying to make this

a proposal where it really holds up where the devil is in the

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