Jonathan and I talk a lot about what we think is a, it's not even a conspiracy, what we think is an overt, you know, planned by the government to make us sick and then sell us pills to make us better.

Can you talk a little bit, you know, our favorite example is the ultra-processed food study that came out.

And like, lo and behold, but Europe has known for decades, America was finally like,

hey, it seems like something weird's going on with ultra-processed food and your health. And then

very quickly after that, the government was like, that study was incorrect. They did the

analysis wrong. The algorithm was incorrect. And ultra-processed food is really good for you.

That's like cuckoo-pants crazy to me and Jonathan. Is there anything you can speak to about sort of the food complex that is

this country? And we're like, you know, food ink people. We're like, you know, those kinds of hippies.

So anything you say is safe here, but I'd love to know your

take on sort of what's going on with the industrial food, you know, complex in this country.

You know, this didn't really come to my awareness until after I left CIA. Because you can imagine,

when you're at CIA, you live in a, in a vacuum. And you don't realize how many resources are at your disposal when you're at

CIA. So working at CIA also means you're working with Navy Seals, you're working with Army Delta

operators, Marsock, you're working with all the most elite services out there. To your exact point,

M, our institution does not feed elite operators

processed food. They don't. And they train us, they train us to find whole food sources. They train us to

sustain ourselves in the field on whole food sources,

and they constantly build us back without prescription drugs as much as possible.

And when they turn to using prescription solutions for elite operators,

that's when they take those operators off the line. So they understand.

Wait. This is mind-blowing.

At an institutional level, they understand that optimized effort comes with whole food and

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