This is Sarah Stewart Holland. This is Beth Silver's. You're listening to Pantsu Politics, where we take a different approach to the news. Hi friends it's Elise the managing director of the show.

I am recording this at 3.30 Eastern on Monday afternoon.

It feels important to time stamp that because it has already been a whirlwind of a week.

From the attempted assassination of Donald Trump on Saturday

to Judge Eileen Cannon throwing out the classified documents case

to the announcement of J.D. Vance as

Trump's vice presidential candidate. And now by the time you are hearing this, we are in

the thick of RNC Convention Week. Sarah and Beth are both overseas, as you know, from our episode earlier this week that they recorded in their respective

hotel bathrooms in the middle of the night for us here in the States.

Normally when we do our summer break, knowing they'll be gone, we

record in advance a variety of conversations we hope will be relevant and interesting

for you during that break. Even though we already brought you a regular episode earlier this week and we'll bring you another one on Friday,

we did not want to wait any longer to bring you today's conversation.

Oftentimes we would put a conversation like this on to bring you today's conversation.

Oftentimes we would put a conversation like this

on our premium channel, but it feels so relevant

and so right for this moment that we wanted everyone to have it today.

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And also to check out the massive archive of great content that we already have there and the new stuff that we're releasing every week.

Today we're bringing you a conversation with Jeff Friedman,

associate professor of government at Dartmouth College,

and author of the Commander-in-Chief Test,

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