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Next Up with Mark Halperin

Why Stephen Miller and JD Vance Have All the Power, Plus Rand Paul's Favorite Trump Admin Disruptors

Next Up with Mark Halperin

MK Media

News, Daily News, Politics

4.8846 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Mark Halperin begins the show discussing the two most powerful people in the Trump administration - Stephen Miller and JD Vance. Then Senator Rand Paul joins to discuss the negative comments he's hearing from his constituents about tariffs, the fallacies he says the need for tariffs are based on, why the trade deficit is "meaningless accounting," his efforts to fight "risky research," his favorite Trump admin disruptors, and more. Then Democratic veterans Steve Elmendorf and Karen Skelton join to discuss the state of the Democratic party, what they can learn from Trump, and what 2028 Democratic hopefuls need to change to win back voters.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome in everybody. Mark Halperin here, ready to tell you what's next up. I appreciate you

0:13.1

joining with this episode. We'll talk to Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. We'll also have a conversation

0:18.2

about what the Democratic Party can do and is doing to try to counteract Donald Trump.

0:23.2

And, of course, grateful to you for being part of what is our third episode.

0:27.4

I'm going to let you in a little secret here.

0:29.4

I'm going to tell you about the king's ear.

0:31.6

Who's got it?

0:32.8

Go back to ancient history.

0:34.8

And any time there's a king or a leader, a ruler, or a president, there's

0:39.1

a lot of palace intrigue around the question of who has the king's ear. Who gets to influence

0:43.7

what the top person does? And of course, that's a lot about palace intrigue. It's a lot about

0:48.3

gossip. But it's also about policy and what happens. And Donald Trump, the court of Donald

0:53.6

Trump, is an intriguing place.

0:55.9

There's been a lot of the conversation about who is influential right now for this president

1:01.4

at this time. Donald Trump is misunderstood in a lot of ways. He's a very curious guy. People,

1:07.9

I think sometimes character term him as not being curious. He's extremely

1:11.3

curious. He's extremely interested in soaking up information. And like Bill Clinton, he wants a

1:16.5

range of options. And he stays up late like Bill Clinton. And he wants to talk to people on the phone

1:21.1

or in person to get more information. The question of who gets to influence this president

1:26.8

is paramount. It's of interest in not just

1:29.1

Washington lobbyists, members of Congress and the media, but governments around the world want to

1:33.6

know who influences this president. Had a crazy example this past weekend where apparently he's met

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