Why Spiritual Intelligence is THE MOST important criteria in a leader
Life, Death & The Space Between with Dr. Amy Robbins
Dr. Amy Robbins
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🗓️ 15 September 2025
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
I never expected this conversation to take the turn it did. When Yosi Amram—a leadership expert who’s coached Fortune 500 CEOs—shared how a single massage unraveled his reality and launched a spiritual awakening that cost him his company, I knew we were diving into uncharted territory. In this episode, we explore spiritual intelligence, the fine line between spiritual emergence and emergency, and how to embody wisdom when the world thinks you’ve lost your mind. If you’ve ever felt torn between practical success and deeper truth, this conversation is for you.
00:00 Introduction to Yosi Amram’s Work
00:49 Defining Spiritual Intelligence
02:36 Yosi’s Military Leadership Experience
04:16 Founding Individual Inc.
06:33 Crisis and Depression
08:24 Spiritual Awakening During Massage
10:03 Manic Episode and Board Backlash
14:09 Spiritual Emergency vs. Emergence
17:20 Research on Spiritual Intelligence
21:48 The Seven Domains of Spiritual Intelligence
28:04 Implementing Spiritual Intelligence in Business
36:19 Practical Steps for Leaders
43:24 Psychedelics and Alternative Paths
46:07 Resources and Closing
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Life, Death & the Space Between Dr. Amy Robbins
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| 0:00.0 | Yossi Amram is an expert in leadership development and personal growth. |
| 0:05.3 | He has coached over 100 CEOs, including leaders of multi-billion dollar companies. |
| 0:11.7 | And his research on spiritually intelligent leadership has received over a thousand academic citations. |
| 0:19.6 | My conversation with Yosey took a really fascinating turn very |
| 0:24.4 | early on. I thought for the majority of the conversation, we were going to be talking about |
| 0:29.3 | spiritually intelligent leadership and the domains of spiritually intelligent leadership. |
| 0:34.7 | But he had a spiritual transformative experience that blew the doors off |
| 0:40.9 | of everything that he understood. And it was really this spiritually transformative experience |
| 0:46.7 | that shaped the trajectory of his life. So I was so excited to have this conversation because |
| 0:51.7 | it really illuminated so much of what I've been talking |
| 0:54.8 | about in terms, particularly in the field of mental health, about what constitutes a spiritual |
| 0:59.8 | emergence versus a spiritual emergency and how these experiences can really transform our entire lives. |
| 1:06.8 | So I'm so excited for you to hear this conversation because I was just, I was just taken to a |
| 1:13.7 | different place. It was not at all what I had expected or where I thought it was going to go. So I'm |
| 1:18.2 | excited for you all to hear that as well. With that, here's my conversation with Yosi Amram. |
| 1:23.4 | We need at our table of awareness, the logician, but equally we need the intuitive, we need the mystic. |
| 1:29.8 | I almost died. I was allowed to go to the very precipice of death, of life and death, and look over the edge. |
| 1:36.9 | And I was allowed to behold what was there and allowed to come back. Most people aren't. |
| 1:41.8 | When we talk about being aligned with our self or being aligned with our soul or hearing |
| 1:46.2 | our higher self, that's really what we're talking about is being connected to that divine |
| 1:51.2 | part of our self, that light-filled part of us, that is connected to God energy, that is |
| 1:55.4 | connected to everybody here and every experience we've ever had. |
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