Welcome to Entrepreneurs the Playbook. I'm David Meltzer, and I've been blessed to do this for about 2,500 episodes, and I have a repeat offender, so I must be doing something right to have someone like Patrick McEnroe allow me to interview him again. He is one of my favorite people. He's the executive director at the John McEnroe Tennis Academy,

but he's also the president of the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

And, of course, one of my favorite podcasters, tennis analysts at ESPN and Sirius XM, our family,

welcomes Patrick McEnroe back to the playbook. Thank you, my friend, for being there. I was feeling a little left out, David. You took you so long to get me back. But it's awesome to be back with. I've been following your stuff. You're killing it. So congrats on that. Happy birthday. I know you just had your birthday. So happy birthday there. And let's hope everyone has a happy and

healthy 20, 20 seconds. It's not too late to say that, right? We can still say that.

You can absolutely still say that. As long as we're still in January. Now, I want to start with your

podcast because I love your podcast as well, holding court, which I've been blessed to be a guest on as

well. It is really an opportunity, not just to stay on top of the emotional aspects of what's going on in the world and tennis in the world of tennis, but it also, to me, elevates my awareness to kind of world thoughts in, you know, this ununified,

conflictual world we're living in. When we're holding court, we're trying to appreciate our

differences. What are some of the commonalities that you're learning beyond business

development of having a podcast, the lessons that you learn while you're interviewing

these people. Are we on a hopeful journey or are we moving in the wrong direction and as sports

is a microcosm to what's going on in the world? Well, we have to be hopeful, David. That's,

you know, that's something I've learned over the years is that's, that's, that's really what we have to do. And so doing my podcast, doing the radio show, to me, they're pretty much one and the same, right? And I, and I do want also for the International Tennis Hall of Fame, it's called Tennis Worthy. And on that one, I kind of can dig into, you know, the Jim Lair's of the world.

And, you know, he's a guy that's been at the forefront of mental health, right?

Way before we were even talking about it, like that athletes were talking about it,

awareness of just our own journeys, right?

And how they connect with whether you're a Hall of Fame tennis player, of which there are very few,

or you participate

in a sport at a local level, you know, to be the executive director at the John McEnroe

Tennis Academy, which is where I spend most of my time with kids, you know, from the ages of five

to 17 before they go off to college. That to me is very rewarding, you know, because not only

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