Why Small Conversations Create Big Happiness with Nicholas Epley
Guy Kawasaki's Remarkable People
Guy Kawasaki
4.5 • 679 Ratings
🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
Why do we avoid talking to strangers when it could actually make our lives better? Nicholas Epley, behavioral scientist at the University of Chicago, explains why we consistently underestimate how positive social interactions will be—and how that mistake quietly limits our happiness. Drawing from decades of research and stories from his new book A Little More Social, he shows how small moments of connection can transform ordinary days. This episode challenges your assumptions about awkwardness, rejection, and what people really think of you. It may just change how you walk into your next coffee shop.
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| 0:00.0 | And so having things happen frequently and routinely to us is really the secret, I think, to a happy life. |
| 0:06.5 | The way to have a good day is to have a bunch of happy moments that you string together. |
| 0:11.1 | The way to have a good week is to string happy days with happy moments together. |
| 0:14.9 | The way to have a good month is to string those moments together. |
| 0:17.9 | That's what leads to a good life. |
| 0:19.5 | And when you do these things routinely, when you turn things into habits, that's what leads to a good life. And when you do these things routinely, |
| 0:21.7 | when you turn things into habits, that's when you do them over and over again in ways that |
| 0:27.3 | keeps bringing that happiness. Like when I get on the train, I'm automatically thinking about |
| 0:30.9 | connecting with someone. They just become routine. And then that changes who you are. It just |
| 0:35.5 | becomes part of your character and allows you to have |
| 0:38.0 | these experiences over and over again because when it comes to happiness and well-being, it's the |
| 0:43.4 | frequent moments that really matter and not the intensity of them. |
| 0:49.7 | Hello everybody. It's Guy Kawasaki. This is the Remarkable People podcast, and in some sense, |
| 0:57.8 | we consider our podcast just an arm of the University of Chicago. And whenever they send |
| 1:03.1 | remarkable people, we take them all. So today's guest is another remarkable university of |
| 1:09.4 | Chicago person. His name is Nick Epley and believe it or not, he is |
| 1:15.3 | a professor of behavioral science, which is one of my favorite subjects, is in the Booth School of |
| 1:22.3 | Business at the University of Chicago and he is one of the leading experts in human connection and social judgment. |
| 1:29.3 | This is his most recent book. It is called A Little More Social and he basically is an evangelist for people to start talking to strangers and begin social relationships. |
| 1:43.3 | And I gotta say that I was a little bit |
| 1:47.3 | skeptical of what he said. And now I'm going to put it to test. But wow, what a case he builds |
| 1:54.1 | about building stronger relations. And unfortunately, I don't ever catch a train, so I cannot test |
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