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With Clavio, learn more at clavio.com. That's KLA-vi-o.com. This episode is supported by NetApp.

NetApp once are listeners to know that they are in love with the cloud. So in love,

they'd climb a mountain or cross an ocean just to prove it, but that's not actually necessary.

So instead they just made this podcast ad. NetApp makes the cloud work smarter and harder by letting

you automate processes, optimize infrastructure, access and securely manage your data no matter

where it is. NetApp for the love of cloud. Vergecast listeners can visit NetApp.com slash Verge

to see how amazing the cloud can be. Hey Vergecast listeners, it's Neely.

A regular one's a show is off this week, so I wanted to share an episode of Decoder that I did

recently with Meredith Whitaker. She's a president of Signal, the encrypted messaging app.

If you're a Vergecast listener, you're going to like this conversation. It's a whole show about

messaging apps after all. Signal has way different priorities than Google and Apple. Meredith is

going to explain all that to you during this show. We'll be back on Friday to talk about all the

news from the week, but in the meantime, here is my chat on Decoder with Meredith Whitaker, president of

Signal. Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Apatel, editor in chief of the Verge and Decoder

is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking to Meredith Whitaker. She's

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