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Why Senator Pat Toomey Thinks SEC Chair Gary Gensler Is Wrong About Crypto - Ep. 399

Unchained

Laura Shin

News, Tech News, Business News

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 September 2022

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Pat Toomey, U.S. Senator for Pennsylvania, talks about legislation in the crypto industry, how to determine if something is a security, the future of CBDCs, and much more.  Show highlights: the structural differences between crypto tokens and securities why Sen. Toomey is demanding crypto legislation why “regulation by enforcement” does not provide clarity how to determine if a token is decentralized whether proof of stake consensus turns tokens into securities Sen. Toomey’s take on the new framework for stablecoin regulation whether it is appropriate to ban algorithmic stablecoins the importance to make disclosures so that regular users understand the risks of crypto how the collapse of Terra and other crypto companies like Voyager and Celsius affected lawmakers’ perception of crypto whether the US Treasury made a mistake with the Tornado Cash sanctions what the government should take into account in regards to a central bank digital currency (CBDC) why he believes the White House reports on crypto are not helpful and whether entrepreneurial talent is migrating to other countries the likelihood of any of the crypto bills passing soon Thank you to our sponsors! 1inch Crypto.com Messari Sen. Toomey Twitter  Previous Coverage of Unchained on regulation: Congressman Ro Khanna: How to Get More Democrats into Web3 The Legal and Regulatory Fallout From Terra’s Collapse: Who Will Pay? Why the Crypto Industry Believes SEC Regulation by Enforcement Hurts US Consumers SEC Views Gary Gensler’s comments on PoS tokens Sen. Toomey’s opinion White House Reports Stablecoins Stablecoin Draft Bill Bloomberg article: Senator Pat Toomey Still Sees Chance of Stablecoin Legislation This Year Sen. Toomey’s framework for payment stablecoins that he released last spring Tornado Cash Treasury Press release  Previous coverage of the Tornado Cash Sanctions on Unchained: Is TRM Labs Blocking Addresses From DeFi Protocols? Ari Redbord Says No  Tornado Cash Sanctioned. Did the Government Overstep Its Bounds? The Chopping Block: Did OFAC Overstep by Sanctioning Tornado Cash? Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant? Preston Van Loon on Ethereum's Merge and His Lawsuit Against Treasury Ian Balina charges Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Unchained, your no-hype resource for all things crypto. I'm your

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host, Laura Shin, author of The Cryptopians. I started covering crypto seven years ago,

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and as a senior editor of Forbes, was the first mainstream media reporter to cover cryptocurrency

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Today's guest is U.S. Senator for Pennsylvania, Pat Toomey. Welcome, Senator.

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Well, thanks for having me, Laura. Good to be with you.

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The biggest question regarding crypto regulation in the U.S. has been for quite some time.

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What it is that makes a crypto token a security. I've heard you say that you disagree with SEC

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Chair Gary Gensler when he says that he seems to believe that all tokens accept the coin

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are securities. I also heard you say you believe that existing regulations created in the 1930s and

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40s don't fit with crypto. What regulatory regime do you think makes sense for crypto?

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Well, there's a lot to unpack there, Laura, as you know very well. First of all,

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