Why research into ‘forever chemicals’ includes firefighters
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🗓️ 2 February 2026
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. |
| 0:05.6 | A hundred years ago, we didn't have nonstick pans. We didn't have Teflon. We didn't have |
| 0:10.8 | Goretex to make clothes waterproof. Until scientists discovered a special family of chemicals, |
| 0:17.8 | PFS, chemicals that repelled stains and dirt and water and oil, that at first |
| 0:23.8 | seemed like a miracle. So PFAS stands for per and polyphloral alcohol substances. There are, at last |
| 0:32.0 | count, over 10,000 different individual types of PFS. They started to become widespread in industrial use |
| 0:40.0 | sometime, I think, in the 1940s. That's Melissa Furlong. She's an assistant professor of |
| 0:46.2 | environmental health sciences at the University of Arizona. She's also an environmental epidemiologist. |
| 0:52.0 | And because PFAS chemicals have all of these useful properties, |
| 0:55.5 | she says we put them in a lot of different things. |
| 0:58.4 | Applications that basically need to repel both oil and water. So like if you've got some |
| 1:04.1 | stain-resistant furniture or stain-resistant carpet, there's a good chance it was treated with P-FAS. |
| 1:09.2 | You might find them on your cooking pans, |
| 1:11.6 | raincoats, some pesticides, maybe in your makeup and in you. If you are cooking with a non-stick |
| 1:21.5 | teflon pan, right, it's not like all of it is sticking to the pan. Some of the PFS is coming off |
| 1:27.4 | onto the food, and then you're exposed that way Some of the PFS is coming off onto the food, |
| 1:28.4 | and then you're exposed that way. If the PFS has been applied to your carpet or if it's been |
| 1:31.7 | applied to your furniture, then all of that sort of sheds into your environment. And once they get |
| 1:37.0 | into our bodies, they're hard to get rid of. Instead of being excreted like normal environmental |
| 1:43.7 | toxicants would be they just get recirculated by the body. |
| 1:48.0 | Because these chemicals don't break down easily in the environment or in the human body, PFS are known as forever chemicals. |
| 1:55.0 | Almost everybody has detectable levels of at least one or two of the different common PFAS species. |
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