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offer ending soon. Never Trumpers, the political movement of Republicans who speak out against

the former president are everywhere, on cable TV and online,

everywhere but the voting booth. Donald Trump easily conquered the primary election cycle,

and no one has worked harder to understand the voters of today's Republican Party than Sarah

Longwell. Sarah has been Never Trump since 2016 and is the host of the Focus Group podcast. She's brought along

some of the best examples of Republican voters who may or may not end up following her down

the Never Trump Road in November. Sarah Longwell, welcome. Thanks so much for having me. It's great to be

here. So we didn't give your full title because you're also the publisher of the bulwark.

Can you talk about what that is?

Yeah, this is, you know, there was a conservative magazine called The Weekly Standard.

And when it was unceremoniously killed because it was insufficiently pro-Trump back in 2019,

we reconstituted it as the bulwark with some new writers. But it's essentially a center

right publication that stands in opposition to Trump. And it's been around now for about five

years. And it's great. You should check it out. And it's growing. I mean, there's some podcasts,

there's a publication, there's more writing. I feel like bulwark people are kind of everywhere.

Yeah. Well, look, I think one of the reasons the bulwark has been so successful isn't just because it's been against Trump, but because the talent level is extremely high.

You should go check it out and read Jonathan Last, who's the editor. Bill Crystal's got a morning newsletter that he does with Andrew Eger.

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