I learned a lot from the mailroom.

The key thing I learned is that really talented people were very generous and untalented people weren't.

Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

My guest today is Fain Venture Capitalist, an author of Running Down a Dream,

How to Thrive in a Career You Actually Love, Bill Gurley.

Bill was a top-rank research analyst on Wall Street.

When I met him, he covered the PC industry. He worked as the lead analyst on the Amazon IPO before decamping for Silicon Valley. There, he became a general partner at benchmark capital, a celebrated VC firm, known for early stage investing and very tall venture capitalists. Bill was an investor in companies like Grubhub, next door, open

table, stitch fix, Zillow, and most notably Uber. After a long and successful career,

he's retired from venture capital and written a personal development book about finding the

career you actually love. I was surprised when I got it when he wrote me. I thought I was in a

beef with Bill Gurley because I'm in a beef with all the Silicon Valley people. But I wasn't because Bill is thoughtful. He's a great debater. Even when we don't agree with him, he's always been a gentleman. And he actually reads and is an intellectual in many ways. He's always been that way. And so I'm excited to talk to him. He's also the polar opposite of what Scott preaches on Pivot, so that's a relief.

So I'm curious to talk to him. He's also the polar opposite of what Scott preaches on Pivot, so that's a relief. So I'm curious to hear Bill explain why it's actually important

to do what you love. And of course, I'll ask him about President Trump in politics,

because now it's inescapably intertwined with everything in American life, especially the tech

industry. Our expert question comes from Dara Costa Shahi, the CEO of Uber.

So stick around.

Megan Rapino here.

This week on a touch more, we've got something for everyone.

We're talking about the U.S. women Olympians taking home more medals than the men,

the U.S. women's national team roster heading into the She Believes Cup,

and the latest on the WMBA-CBA negotiations.

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