Thomas, welcome back to the show. How are you? I'm good, Conner. Good to see you again.

Yeah, lots of life has unfolded. Lots of life has unfolded. Well, I'm excited to have you back on. i think we'll just dive straight in to something that

we were talking about before which i think will be a good entry point which is what the heck

has happened to our capacity as individuals and as a collective to just hold tension

yeah it's a i think that's an event and as a collective to just hold tension.

Yeah, I think that's a very interesting phenomenon that I think needs real attention.

And just us talking about is putting some light on it

or pulling our attention there.

Because I think I often see, like, one sign of maturity is like a mature self has the capacity to host discomfort or disagreement,

even if it feels like attention or uncomfortable, and not

reject that sense of discomfort and other the other, like separate themselves from the other,

internally.

And I think, so the mature self, a self that went through all our developmental journey into a mature person, I think has that capacity.

But it seems like when we look at society, there's more and more cancel culture.

There's more and more fast disconnecting.

You don't agree with me. You're not part of my tribe.

So it seems to me that we, like, we is always like, it's not the generalization, but it seems

to me like that more and more we see the overwhelm that the data speed of life became so fast

that we simply our nervous systems feel overwhelmed and I think every time like data speed flows through our nervous system

we can ground technology and process it.

But if data speed hits trauma layers inside that are basically stuck, so then it creates heat.

And I think we see more and more the inability to host the complexity that that fast world creates.

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