Why pay $50 billion for the headache known as Tylenol?
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🗓️ 4 November 2025
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Kimberly-Clark’s stock closed down 14% yesterday after it gambled nearly $50 billion on a company called Kenvue, maker of Listerine, Band-Aids, and Tylenol — the painkiller HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy wants to link to autism, despite a lack of scientific evidence. People are now suing Kenvue, a potential liability that will become Kimberly-Clark's problem. We unpack. Also: potential changes to public service loan forgiveness and a speech by Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook.
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| 0:00.0 | Why pay almost $50 billion for the headache known as Tylenol? |
| 0:07.9 | I'm David Brancaccio in Los Angeles, first to the promise that people who go into government |
| 0:12.8 | service or nonprofit work could get a break on student loans. But the Trump administration |
| 0:17.9 | is limiting eligibility and now nearly two dozen states are suing under a new rule non-profits that do work the administration objects to, like helping people in the U.S. without permission or supporting transgender people, could see employees disqualified from the loan forgiveness program. |
| 0:34.8 | Marketplaces Savannah Peters has that. |
| 0:36.8 | The Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program cancels federal student debt for some workers in government |
| 0:43.1 | or certain nonprofits after 10 years of payment. |
| 0:47.0 | This rule change gives the Department of Ed broad authority to disqualify employers. |
| 0:52.9 | They're weaponizing the program to punish governments and |
| 0:56.9 | nonprofits that don't agree with the administration's ideological agenda. Winston Berkman-Breen is an |
| 1:03.2 | attorney with protect borrowers, one of the groups suing the Trump administration over the change. |
| 1:09.1 | It really is impossible to confidently predict how this rule will be used. |
| 1:14.0 | Which throws a wrench into borrowers' long-term financial planning. |
| 1:18.2 | There are some borrowers that are definitely panicking over this. |
| 1:22.3 | Betsy Mayotte, with the Institute of Student Loan Advisors, says borrowers should sit tight while challenges move through the courts. |
| 1:30.3 | Even if the rule is upheld, she says borrowers will get some advance notice before they're impacted. |
| 1:35.9 | But Jennifer Steele at American University says this adds to an atmosphere of confusion. |
| 1:42.3 | The idea of public service loan forgiveness is that it incentivizes people |
| 1:47.2 | to work in public service where they might earn less money. Steel says the erosion of trust in the |
| 1:53.4 | program could make it even harder for nonprofits and governments to recruit. I'm Savannah Peters |
| 1:59.5 | for Marketplace. |
| 2:06.5 | Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook yesterday made her first public speech since President Trump tried to fire her in August over allegations of mortgage fraud. |
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