As we mentioned in the previous podcast, we recently hosted the pastor's conference here

in the Twin Cities in February.

It was about the supernatural and ministry in Pastor John, what were some of your conference

takeaways?

The whole conference was about brothers who were not professionals and the nub of it

came out when Jason Meyer said in one of his, in his message, there is no professional

fear and trembling.

And he was talking about his taking up the mantle of the pastor that Bethlehem and Paul

said he came to the church in Corinth with much fear and trembling and he said it was

of the essence of faith because Philippians 2, since we're supposed to work on our salvation

with fear and trembling and yet when you stop and think about it, that would be something

that no professional seminar would give you 10 steps to fear and trembling.

So that's the gist of it.

The things we're called to do as pastors are done in ways that rely upon the supernatural

and awaken in us affections that are essential for doing the ministry like fear and trembling,

humility, love, kindness, and these are things that are just not considered professional

in our day.

They're not evil, viewed by evil as professionals.

I'm just so eager that the pastors not give way to their self-identity as a professional

because all of the essential things in the ministry are of such a nature that we wouldn't

describe them as professionals.

The pursuit of the power of the Holy Spirit is the essence of the matter and not being

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