Why Pakistan is Deporting Afghan Refugees with Madiha Afzal

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🗓️ 20 November 2023

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Over the past few weeks, the country of Pakistan has pursued an aggressive wave of deportations targeting thousands of Afghan refugees, some of whom have been in Pakistan for generations. Many fear that this move will add to the already precarious and humanitarian situation facing Afghanistan. But the Taliban regime, for one, has reacted in a way few expected.

To talk through these refugee removals and their ramifications, Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson sat down with Madiha Afzal, a Fellow in the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution. They talked about the origins of the Afghan refugee population in Pakistan, how this latest action intersects with concerns over terrorism, and where the crisis may be headed next.

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0:59.6	today. Eligibility criteria apply. Currently Pakistan has a caretaker government in charge and run up to elections in a few months and this
1:17.2	caretaker government is really you know a military-backed caretaker government.
1:23.0	So this action, this deportation drive,
1:26.2	should really be understood as something
1:28.6	that the military is pushing.
1:31.4	Not to say that an elected government would not have
1:36.6	necessarily done this because it would have limited, I think,
1:41.1	political repercussions in Pakistan. Given that you know Afghans are not
1:46.9	Pakistani citizens they can these refugees wouldn't be able to have an
1:51.0	impact on on the election? And Pakistanis may not necessarily feel very strongly about this because some of them will buy into the government's narratives of refugees being a burden or being linked to terrorism.
2:06.0	I'm Scott R Anderson and this is the Lawfair Podcast for November 20th, 2023.
2:11.0	Over the past few weeks, the country of Pakistan has pursued an aggressive wave of deportations targeting
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