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Why Outlawing Slavery Won't Outlaw Slavery—Yet

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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News, News Commentary, Daily News

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2022

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

During the 2022 midterms, four states voted to ban slavery, which is still legal—and practiced—in the form of forced prison labor. The ballot initiatives are designed to keep people from having to work against their will and could provide prisoners with the opportunity to sue for higher wages, and better working conditions, including medical exemptions for those who are pregnant and postpartum. 


Guest: Candace Bond-Theriault Esq., Director of Racial Justice Policy & Strategy at Columbia Law School’s Center for Gender & Sexuality Law. 


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0:00.0

I think that the holidays feel like frozen noses. I love walking with the dog for long periods of time.

0:10.0

Hopefully it's snowing and you've got to wrap up warm. So I think a frozen nose is

0:13.6

then sweaty armpits because like you're wrapped up so warm but then you're climbing hamps

0:17.9

and heath and you get to the top and you're like and then you can see the breath

0:21.6

but then your nose is still freezing to touch.

0:25.0

Join in every sip with red cups now back at Starbucks.

0:38.0

In all the coverage of the red wave that wasn't this midterm cycle, there's this one thing

0:43.0

that voters waited on that I'm not sure people have talked about enough. That thing is slavery.

0:49.1

Five states voted on whether to outlaw slavery this November.

0:52.9

And yes, it is 2022.

1:00.0

I was seeing all over the media and different places that slavery was on the ballot this November

1:06.8

and it perked my ears up and I said excuse me. I'm sorry. Say that again.

1:14.6

Candice Bonterio is a legal scholar at Columbia University and I got to say I was a little

1:19.8

relieved it was not just me who was surprised to see slavery on the ballot 150 years after the

1:26.2

Civil War ended. And then I had to look deeper into what people were actually talking about and

1:32.5

they were talking about this exemption that allows for forced prison labor.

1:39.9

Candice says this exemption it's baked right into the 13th amendment the one that technically

1:45.4

abolishes slavery. It reads neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as punishment for

1:53.1

crime shall exist within the United States. State constitutions often mimic this language.

2:00.4

And the result is that more than half of all prisoners in the US report being forced to work

2:06.4

sometimes in grueling or dangerous jobs. I think sometimes even just saying slavery still exists.

2:12.8

It's just not enough because we have to talk really in specifics.

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