Why Olly Robbins testimony is 'quietly devastating' for Starmer
Coffee House Shots
The Spectator
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🗓️ 21 April 2026
⏱️ 15 minutes
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Summary
'The most gripping testimony' since Dominic Cummings which could prove 'extraordinary and quietly devastating' for Keir Starmer. That's the verdict of the Spectator's political editor Tim Shipman following sacked Foreign Office chief Sir Olly Robbins's testimony today before the Foreign Affairs Committee. Tim and former FCDO mandarin Ameer Kotecha join James Heale to explain why the hearing over the Mandelson appointment was so important, the questions the session has raised – and the holes in the story that still remain.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm James Heel and I'm joined today by Tim Shipman, |
| 0:07.9 | the political clerk of The Spectator, and I'm a majorcature, former Foreign Office diplomat. |
| 0:11.6 | Now, Tim, it's been a fairly eventful morning. We've had the 9am evidence of Sir Olly Robbins, |
| 0:17.4 | the now defenestrated, permanent secretary at the foreign office. What do we learn from |
| 0:21.1 | his testimony? Well, James, I think this is the most gripping testimony before a select committee |
| 0:26.4 | since Dominic Cummings appeared all those years ago. It is extraordinary and quietly devastating. |
| 0:33.9 | There are questions Robbins has not quite answered, I think it's fair to say, just to balance this up with everything that's going to follow. |
| 0:39.3 | He hasn't really explained why he didn't have a conversation with his line managers, Chris Wormald, the cabinet secretary. |
| 0:44.9 | And he has stuck to the idea that it would have been a breach of his obligations and of the security of the vetting system if he had communicated anything |
| 0:55.0 | more than the final decision to the politicians. That's his position. It's, I think a lot of |
| 1:00.2 | officials regard that as reasonable. A lot of politicians will regard that as completely bizarre, |
| 1:04.4 | given how high profile this was. But what he has said in terms is that when he took the job |
| 1:10.4 | as the chief Mandarin at the foreign office, |
| 1:12.9 | the whole foreign office and he were under relentless daily pressure to get Peter Mandelson's |
| 1:18.1 | appointment approved and in place by the time that Donald Trump was sworn in as US president |
| 1:23.3 | on the 20th of January. He has said the process for getting approval from the Americans was underway. |
| 1:29.2 | The king had been had given his approval. This was a done deal, essentially. And then along comes |
| 1:36.0 | this vetting process. Now, he disputes what the government claim and that the committee have |
| 1:40.9 | clearly been told that UK security vetting had effectively failed |
| 1:45.7 | Mandelson. Robinson has explained that that is not how it works in the foreign office or in other |
| 1:49.6 | high security departments like the Ministry of Defence. UK security vetting provide a recommendation |
| 1:54.5 | and the final ruling is given by the department. Now he effectively has said that he had a meeting |
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