John, I'm so grateful to have you back, brother. It is just such an honor to talk to you, so much of my own healing journey.

God has used you in many ways. I know he's used you for tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of men to find healing.

I've certainly been the beneficiary of much of your wisdom and the way God's used you in my own life.

But for those who may not have heard of you yet, tell us who

you are and what you're up to these days. Yeah, thanks, Jared. It's nice to be back on your podcast.

So I was trained as a therapist a very long time ago, mid-90s. And early in my work, I found myself working more and more, mostly with men or men

and their marriages. And out of that, I wrote a book for men called Wild at Heart that did fairly

well and has kind of gone around the world helping to heal men and their families. And then out of

that work, we actually launched an organization called Wild at Heart, and we do a variety of things, podcasts and films and studies, both for men and for women.

Because we ran our men's work for a couple of years and pretty quickly learned that guy gets some healing.

But he walks back into a house where there isn't healing.

And we need to bring the spouse along.

So I do this with my wife, Stacey.

We have a small team of people here in Colorado.

Love what we get to do.

Love being in this line of work.

Just yeah, helping people restore.

Can you talk a little bit about that connection between,

you know, a lot of guys come here because they want to lead their families well.

They're jumping on this podcast because they're like,

I want to be the man that my

family needs me to be. And something that we've been talking about recently on the podcast is

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