Why Michigan and Ohio State Hate Each Other
Our American Stories
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4.6 • 817 Ratings
🗓️ 24 December 2025
⏱️ 11 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of Our American Stories, before Michigan and Ohio State ever lined up on the football field, their rivalry started with a fight over land and a cartographer’s mistake. Known as the Toledo War, this little-known border dispute between the two states set the stage for what would become one of the most heated rivalries in college football history. Tedd Long, founder of Holy Toledo History, explains what shaped the OSU–Michigan face-off long before kickoff was even a thing.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.6 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:14.2 | This is our American stories, and we tell stories about everything on this show. |
| 0:19.0 | And up next, perhaps one of the biggest football rivalies in the United States |
| 0:23.5 | is between Ohio State and Michigan. |
| 0:26.4 | On Game Day, traditionally, the third weekend of November, |
| 0:29.1 | fans of Ohio State cover up every M they can see, |
| 0:33.2 | and Michigan fans partake in Buckeye Nutcracking. |
| 0:36.7 | What most people don't know, however, |
| 0:38.3 | is that this rivalry extends back to the early 1800s |
| 0:41.9 | over a land dispute that turned violent. |
| 0:44.8 | Here's Monty Montgomery with the story. It's a well-known fact if you live in the Midwest that Michigan and Ohio don't really like each other that much. |
| 1:06.0 | Most of that comes down to football today, but that hasn't always been the case. It used to come down to a small |
| 1:12.4 | strip of land known as the Toledo strip that resulted because of a mapping error in the |
| 1:17.2 | Northwest Territories combined with interesting language in the Northwest Ordinance in the early |
| 1:22.1 | 1800s, which ultimately led to a war between Michigan and Ohio when Michigan was applying for statehood. |
| 1:30.5 | Here's Ted Long, founder of Holy Toledo History, with more on this remarkable story. |
| 1:38.3 | The rule was something like that Michigan was to run on a line east and west drawn through the southerly bend of the extreme of Lake Michigan until it reached Lake Erie. |
| 1:48.1 | And if you draw that line, it clearly puts Toledo and Mami Bay in Michigan. |
| 1:54.3 | And as the story goes in 1803, when the state legislature in Ohio was putting together their application, a trapper comes down |
| 2:03.5 | from up north and reminds them, if you follow that, you're going to lose lake access. And so they made |
| 2:09.7 | an adjustment. Blyde for statehood. Apparently, there was some people in Washington that raised |
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