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Hi, everyone, it's Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Shiloh Brooks, who's got a great new podcast at the free press about great books.

And it's called Old Schools about great books.

And I have to say, last week, I just finished rereading Anna Karenina, which I consider possibly one of the three greatest books ever.

It may be the greatest book ever.

It's an amazing, amazing novel. And it's so, it's been years since I read it and it was so changed my perceptions and lifted me up that I was almost sorry that nobody reads books anymore.

So I wanted to bring Shiloh on and talk about that and all of the things that we do get from

these great books because it's a lot.

He is president and CEO of the George W. Bush Presidential Center.

He's a professor of practice in the Department of Political Science at SMU.

And as I say, he's got a podcast called Old School at Free Press about great books and how reading them can make stronger, better men. Shiloh, it's nice to meet you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you. It's good to meet you, too. So this is a subject, obviously, very dear to my heart. I mean, when I started out, I've been a novelist all my life, and when I started out, the novelists were like rock stars. They had one name, you know,

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