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The Brian Lehrer Show

Why Masking ICE Agents Matters

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

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4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 February 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

The Atlantic's Adam Serwer talks about what it means for accountability when ICE agents are allowed to be masked.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Laira show on WNYC. Good morning, everyone, and thanks to Amina Serna,

0:16.9

Kusha, Navadar, and Bridget Bergen for filling in the last few shows. I continue to need to do parental care, which will continue to make my attendance here inconsistent for a period of time.

0:28.3

I'm sorry to say thank you all for understanding, and I hope you appreciate the work of my very excellent colleagues.

0:35.1

Now, the short government shutdown has ended with Democrats winning

0:40.4

this concession. The Department of Homeland Security is only being funded until next Friday,

0:46.9

while Congress and the White House try to negotiate possible changes to the rules of engagement

0:52.2

for ICE. As New York Magazine reports it, Senate Democrats have a list

0:56.5

of substantive demands that include a requirement for judicial warrants before ICE or Border

1:04.0

Patrol arrests, coordination with local law enforcement and deference to their use of force rules, and an end to masking.

1:13.9

Let's talk about that last one.

1:15.9

Here's Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer yesterday.

1:19.2

Defending ICE agents wearing masks and giving them special treatment, especially when they're so

1:24.8

brutal and thuggy, is totally against the views of most Americans

1:29.3

who want basic accountability. Anyone defending ICE agents keeping their masks on is not seriously trying to solve.

1:37.3

This huge problem of chaos we have seen in Minneapolis and so many of our other cities when ice is sent in there.

1:46.3

Senator Schumer yesterday, Atlantic Magazine staff writer Adam Surwer has a new article called

1:52.5

The Real Reason Ice Agents Wear Masks.

1:57.0

He's also author of the book, The Cruelty is the Point, why Trump's America Endures, and that, by the way, was published back in 2022.

2:04.9

And thank you for joining us, Adam.

2:06.3

Welcome back to WNYC.

2:08.3

Thank you so much for having me.

2:10.3

You make your opinion clear from the start of the article, so you might as well do that here, that there is no justification for federal agents to hide

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