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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Why Legacy Companies Can't Adopt AI with Luke Thomas

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8764 Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2025

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Summary

Marty sits down with Luke Thomas, founder of Formable and former product manager at Zapier, to discuss how AI is creating "unbounded leverage" for startups, why existing businesses struggle to adapt due to structural constraints, and how Bitcoin treasuries can rewire founders' thinking about capital allocation in the digital transformation era.

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0:00.0

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

0:10.0

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

0:16.0

So it's all acting like safe haven.

0:18.0

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

0:23.5

currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

0:29.2

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

0:31.8

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

0:36.4

Luke, this is a great pleasure for me.

0:40.1

I've been waiting for this episode for, I think, years now.

0:45.0

Well, I'm definitely excited to be here.

0:47.5

And to all your listeners, I'm sorry.

0:50.6

There will be lots of rants, lots of, lots of unhinged, maybe unhinged thoughts, but I'm really excited to be here.

1:00.3

Well, you've had an open invite to the show for, I think, at least two years now.

1:04.0

And you said, you've been saying for two years when the time's right, and I feel like I have something to say, I will let you know.

1:09.9

And that happened a couple of weeks ago. And here we are. Thinking of how to start off this episode,

1:18.0

I think it's important for the audience to get context. Luke has been, somebody has helped me

1:23.4

immensely behind the scenes here at TFTC think a bit thinking about how to position

1:28.0

the brand and how to increase our SEO not only that how to lean into this AI

1:34.8

revolution and I think just to start off the conversations get a little history

1:40.9

of your career what you've built where where you've worked, what you're

1:45.5

working on now, and what people may, may learn that they stick around for the whole episode.

1:52.1

Yeah, sure.

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