We're having a mass migration that's been going on for seven or eight years,

or maybe even longer from blue to red states.

And what that is going to add up to is not yet clear.

In this episode, we sit down with Epoch Times editor at large Roger Simon.

He's an award-winning novelist, an Oscar-nominated screenwriter,

and author of the new book, American Refugees,

the untold story of the mass exodus from blue states to red states.

They wanted an America that they either had grown up with or dreamed of.

We also take a look at Roger's unique perspective on the Israel-Hamas war.

They were offered many times in the country,

so it became clear to me that they didn't want a two-state situation.

This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanyi Kellek.

Roger Simon, so good to have you back on American Thought Leaders.

Great to be here again.

Roger, of course, I love reading your column every day,

and on the Epoch Times, always something new and fascinating and beautifully written.

And now you've put this into another book, American Refugees.

I quite honestly, it was such a pleasure to read, okay?

But let's start with here.

What is happening in America right now?

What is happy? Give me your, give me your succinct explanation here.

Well, we're having a mass, it won't be succinct, but I'll try.

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