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Back from the Abyss: Psychiatry in Stories

Why it's so hard to find (or be) a good therapist

Back from the Abyss: Psychiatry in Stories

Craig Heacock MD

Psychiatry, Bipolar, Suicide, Depression, Ketamine, Psychotherapy, Science, Psychedelics, Health & Fitness, Addiction, Medicine, Psychology, Mental Health

4.8452 Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2019

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

A wise psychotherapy supervisor once said: "There are only two things a therapist can do...hold...or poke...lots of therapists are good at holding...not so many are confident enough to poke...the good therapist has mastered the art of both."Actually, there are at LEAST 4-5 other crucial mental processes that an effective therapist should be doing more or less simultaneously...and that's no easy task.This mini-episode explores the hold vs poke dilemma, why this matters so much to anyone ...

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0:00.0

Welcome to Back from the Abyss, where we bring you stories of hope and healing, recovery and redemption.

0:18.9

I'm Dr. Craig Hickok, your host and resident psychiatrist.

0:25.4

Today we're doing a mini episode, why it's so hard to find or be a good therapist.

0:32.4

If you're looking for a therapist to hear you, to support you emotionally or validate you,

0:38.3

that's not so hard to find.

0:39.3

Lots of therapists are good at what we call holding or creating a safe space for openness

0:43.8

and trust, and that can be incredibly valuable and healing.

0:48.0

However, if you're looking for a therapist who can help you pull out of the dark depths,

0:52.4

someone who can catalyze meaningful change,

1:00.7

that's a whole different beast. And here's why. Being a therapist who can catalyze change is really,

1:05.5

really hard and basically requires that the therapist do at least five crucial and complicated and often simultaneous things as the session progresses. Therapist challenge number one.

1:12.0

The reason we have anxiety, the purpose of anxiety, is to get us to do something, to act.

1:18.4

Too little anxiety and we're passively accepting our present reality.

1:22.6

Think weed or video games or alcohol or other numbing agents.

1:26.5

Too much anxiety and we're paralyzed.

1:29.8

Therapists have to continually decide moment to moment throughout every session whether to sit

1:35.3

with the client's anxiety level or to help them dial it down by soothing them or most difficult

1:41.5

of all whether to dial up the anxiety to get the client to move towards change.

1:47.0

What do I mean by dial up anxiety?

1:50.0

A good therapist can recognize when a patient is too relaxed or avoidant or chit-chatty or finger pointing all the blame,

1:57.0

and the therapist will consciously decide to turn up the flame to make the client squirm a little

2:01.9

with increased anxiety, but not too much anxiety or the client will shut down or flee.

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