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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Cindy Yu, and I'm joined by James Forsy and Katie Balls.

So Katie, you have an interview with Ben Wallace in the latest issue of The Spectator, where he seemed to push back on claims made by Dominic Raab early in the week that it was down to military intelligence that people didn't expect Kabul to fall so quickly.

So the relationship between the two

secretaries of state are going well then, is it? Yes, it's strange in a way because we have this

row that's been rumbling on for a few days now. It's not just a Ministry of Defence in the Foreign Office.

I think it's also the Home Office. There is a blame game quite publicly playing out

about who got what wrong when it comes to the chaotic UK response to Afghanistan, why the UK

government was caught so surprised. And I think the issue right now is it just looks very chaotic

because you've got all these competing narratives. You have Dominic Rav saying it's

intelligence. You have Ben Wallace saying it's not intelligence. And then after the interview

the spectator, where Ben Wallace made those comments on intelligence and said as early as July,

he was saying plans had to be ramped up. We today had Dominic Rabe on his trip to the Middle

East, giving a clip where he said well

myself and Ben Wallace were in lockstep for a large part of this and it just feels as

there everyone just keeps adding fuel to the flames when at this point you would have thought

someone in Downing Street would have just tried to put a lid on it.

I've spoken to MPs and some ministers who are just a little bit confused at this point as

to why we still have different narratives for members of government about something which

has the potential to be damaging to the government and I think it's now becoming a

almost a sign of dysfunction that this rouse rambling on.

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