why is the government fighting with claude?
kill switch
Kaleidoscope
4.7 • 635 Ratings
🗓️ 5 March 2026
⏱️ 31 minutes
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Summary
kill switch went live on March 4th to cover one of the newsier topics of the week: the fight between the US government and Anthropic, the company behind Claude. Dexter talked to WIRED senior writer, Will Knight, to discuss what exactly is happening, why, and the stakes for all of us.
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- Will’s articles on WIRED:
- https://www.wired.com/story/trump-moves-to-ban-anthropic-from-the-us-government/
- https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-supply-chain-risk-shockwaves-silicon-valley/
- Will’s AI Lab newsletter: https://www.wired.com/newsletter/exclusive/ai-lab
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed human. |
| 0:14.0 | Yo, what's going on? |
| 0:14.9 | It's Dexter. |
| 0:15.8 | So technology does not slow down for anybody. |
| 0:19.2 | And sometimes I wish that I could just talk to y'all live about what's happening right now. But then we were talking about it and we realized, wait a second, we can talk to you live. So we're going to try something new here. Every once in a while, we're going to talk about something that's happening right now and let people jump into the audience to ask questions and we'll bring a guest along. And so what you're about to listen to is our first episode that we live streamed on Wednesday, |
| 0:42.0 | March 3rd. So if you want to catch the next one as we're recording it and maybe even ask some |
| 0:46.3 | questions, you can subscribe to our YouTube page and you can catch the link to that in the description. |
| 1:01.5 | So everyone, this is, we're doing something different here. |
| 1:04.9 | We're doing the first live episode of Kill Switch. |
| 1:09.3 | We're going to probably try to do these maybe once a month just to give people opportunity to actually jump into the |
| 1:10.9 | chat and talk about stuff that is happening right now. So thanks for bearing with us while we |
| 1:17.1 | experiment a little bit. But today what I'd like to talk about is what is happening with |
| 1:24.2 | Anthropic, what's going on with Open AI, what's going on with the U.S US government. To talk about it today, our guest is Will Knight, who's a senior writer at Wired. He's been writing about AI for a while. He's got a weekly AI newsletter called AI Lab. Will, welcome to Kill Switch. Welcome in. Thank you for having me. I'm honored to be on the first experimental live stream. |
| 1:44.8 | Yeah. Hey, look, we'll see. Everything's an experiment at this point for better or for words. |
| 1:51.1 | So I want to start this off with a timeline. Okay. On the 27th, Donald Trump gets on truth social |
| 1:58.4 | and says that Claude is a radical left woke company. |
| 2:02.2 | Okay. |
| 2:02.5 | Yeah. |
| 2:03.1 | Out of nowhere, most people, like, why is he saying this? |
| 2:06.5 | Pete Hedgeseth gets on Twitter and says that Claude, Anthropic, the company that makes |
| 2:11.8 | Claude, is a supply chain risk, which most people have never thought about what that even |
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