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Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics and now the Joe Biden presidency.

We will be looking at how a 78-year-old president will change America and'll be asking if normalcy, which is what he promised to bring, has returned to American politics. The answer, of course, is no.

I'm joined today by Grace Curley, who is host of the Grace Curley show and a writer for the Boston Herald and The Spectator.

And we're going to be asking, why is Liz Cheney still a Republican?

Now, Grace, you have written an excellent piece for The Spectator today, essentially saying it would be good for the Republican Party if Liz Cheney goes.

And sort of the sooner the better, I think, is the gist of your piece. Can you give for our English

listeners who probably aren't sort of up to speed on what's been going on with Liz Cheney,

can you give us the sort of the lay of the land? Well, Liz Cheney has made it very clear that

she does not like Donald Trump, that she

does not agree with Donald Trump. And what I've been noticing is that there's this argument that

keeps happening about whether or not there's room for opposing views in the modern GOP and whether

or not, you know, anyone who disagrees or doesn't bend the knee, that's a term I keep

hearing, doesn't bend the need to Donald Trump, whether there's room for them in this party.

And I think that question kind of misses the point because I think the real issue here is that

she has a very important job in the Republican leadership. She's the third highest position.

And her job is to keep us on message.

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