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🗓️ 1 December 2025
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Only thirty per cent of the American public identifies with the MAGA movement, according to a recent NBC poll, but that coalition remains intensely loyal to Donald Trump in the face of scandals and authoritarian measures. Defections seem rare and come with the risk of reprisal, even from the President himself. Rich Logis is trying to make them less rare with his advocacy organization, Leaving MAGA. The nonprofit’s website features testimonials from former adherents, and offers advice for how friends and family can reconnect after ruptures over politics. Logis himself had been a true believer: he worked on Trump’s campaign, wrote articles, released a podcast, and called Democrats “the most dangerous group in the history of our Republic, foreign or domestic—more than Islamic supremacists, more than the Nazis.” He didn’t view MAGA as reactionary, but “very progressive and forward facing.” But somewhere along the way, Logis hung up his red hat. “Even today, talking about my past, the feelings are conjured—those feelings of being welcomed and feeling like you’re part of something, and the exhilaration that comes from that,” he tells the New Yorker Radio Hour’s Adam Howard. Logis emphasizes that leaving MAGA is difficult because, as much as it’s a political ideology, it’s also an identity that meets emotional needs. “I think that there’s a lot of trauma within the MAGA base, whether it’s political or economic. . . . I’m not qualified to make any kind of diagnosis. I’m not a therapist or a clinician, but there’s a lot of pain within MAGA. And I think that a better question [instead] of asking ‘What’s wrong with you?’ is ‘What happened to you?’”
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the political scene. |
| 0:07.0 | I'm David Remnick. |
| 0:08.4 | Early each week, we bring you a conversation from our episode of The New Yorker Radio Hour. |
| 0:16.0 | This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker. |
| 0:24.9 | This is The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. |
| 0:29.6 | A recent poll, this one from NBC, found that only 30% of the American public identifies |
| 0:36.2 | with the MAGA movement. Now that's very far from a |
| 0:39.5 | national mandate, but MAGA has a huge influence and power over the entire electorate. To people |
| 0:46.2 | outside the movement, the intense loyalty of the coalition in the face of endless scandals and |
| 0:51.8 | political setbacks is sometimes absolutely confounding. |
| 0:56.2 | Defections seem rare and they come with the risk of reprisal, even reprisals from the president himself. |
| 1:02.7 | Our producer, Adam Howard, spoke to someone who's trying to make defection easier. |
| 1:09.9 | Back in 2016, Rich Logis was a man in search of a political movement. He was drawn |
| 1:16.0 | to candidates who were looking to break the stranglehold of the two-party system, and he even voted |
| 1:20.9 | for Ralph Nader more than once. When Donald Trump came along, he liked his economic rhetoric, |
| 1:26.3 | but he especially liked that |
| 1:27.5 | he was viewed as a threat by the establishment. |
| 1:30.8 | Logis became a Make America Great Again true believer. |
| 1:34.8 | He wrote MAGA articles, he hosted a MAGA podcast, he even contributed to the call script |
| 1:39.7 | for the Trump campaign. |
| 1:41.7 | But somewhere along the way, Lojus hung up his red hat for good. He built a website |
| 1:46.3 | called Leaving Maga, where people like himself can share their stories and provide an outlet for |
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