Hey, pitchfork listeners. Last week Nick and I had a great conversation with Wendy Bach about how

Punitive and difficult to navigate our social safety net is and if you haven't listened to it

I encourage you to go right back into our archive and listen to it now

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Okay, well that reminded us about a great conversation. We had back in 2019 with

Felicia Wong the president and CEO of the Roosevelt Institute and

Civic Ventures alum Hanna Brooks Olsen about why it's so difficult to climb out of poverty

Well, we think it's a great companion piece the last week's conversation. So we're sharing it again

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What we've long understood though is that some communities have consistently had the odds stacked against them

That already low poverty line the vast majority of the people who fall below that are

Working poor over half the jobs created by the economy since the 2008 mantle crisis were poverty level jobs

So I hope this conversation continues

Not as a question of whether but of how we can work together to grow opportunity

Hugely what I have seen among people is a feeling of a loss of control over their future over what they can do

Most of agency. Yeah, just use at the mercy of whatever like rich students do next poverty isn't like a scratch or a bruise

We're talking about a really cancerous tumor and band-aids are really not the solution to the problem

We all want our country to be one where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded

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