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Well college. I loved going to college. It's good you can retry. I'm enrolled on the day course. But college?

I loved going to college.

It's good you can retrain and do something.

Yeah, yeah.

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This is an elitist book, but you don't believe that elitism is anything to be ashamed of, do you?

No, you know, elitism is a word that people, I mean it has a pejorative connotation and sometimes I think for most people, it sounds like a word that excludes others for purely style reasons maybe or other poor reasons to exclude people from a particular circle.

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