Hey folks, today's show has a little something different for you because it features a conversation with a friend of our show, Paul Aferas.

Paul is an on-air reporter for ABC News and former co-host of The View.

She recently wrote a new book named, called Out,

why I traded two dream jobs for a life of true calling.

She shares her journey of conquering fears that nearly kept her from the world of broadcast journalism

and then the dangers when her career threatened to consume her.

As she struggled to find who she was outside of what she did,

she discovered true purpose and calling.

If you haven't heard my first conversation with Paula on the How They Got There series,

you can get the link in this episode's show notes.

But for now, enjoy my conversation with Paul Aferas.

The Paul It's Great to Have You Back on the program again and I'm so excited for you.

This book is really more than a book.

I mean, this is knowing your story and getting to know you and your hubs, John.

This is a major, major life change.

That's really what this book is and you've just taken the reader along with us.

I wanted to congratulate you, but I also want to go back a bit.

Thank you.

I want to go back before we get to really the beginning of this book.

I love the opening line. We'll get to momentarily.

But I'm just curious.

When did you begin to dream?

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