And so I think for our industry, why I'm so bullish is, I think they're both going to come in.

They want these voters.

My dog thing resonated.

I think got cleaned all over the place.

No.

There are 55 million dog owners in America and they're 85 million crypt owners.

That's a crazy stat.

We are at political force. Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of Internet money and Internet finance.

This is Ryan John Adams.

I got a solo episode for you today. David is out. I'm here to help you become more bankless. The question today, why is Mike Novograt's bullish? We'll answer that in today's episode. Mike, of course, probably needs no introduction for a long-time

bankless listeners and crypto natives, but for those that are newer, Mike is a fun

manager. He was early to

etheorem and he's since built an entire digital asset empire. It's called

Galaxy Digital and he spent the last 10 years of his life so that's an entire decade evangelizing crypto to Wall Street.

At times they thought he was crazy, at times he was prophetic in a good way, and more

recently he's been spending some of that time in DC. It's always a treat to hear from Mike and this is

actually his first time on the Bankless Podcast after all these years. A few things we talk

about, the progress of crypto, why Larry Fink of Black Rock pivoted, the impact of the EDFs, why

Kamala Harris will pivot pro-cripto, if Trump will make Bitcoin a reserve asset and what

that would mean, keeping crypto bipartisan, or at least

nonpartisan, why he's bullish, the macro environment in general, and finally his

advice for crypto investors in their 20s or 30s.

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