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this is a show for

I'm Francis Foster.

I'm Constantine Kitchen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest this week is a former fire right extremist who is now a counter-extremism

researcher.

Jack Bugbee, welcome to Trigonometry.

Cheers for having me on.

Welcome to the show, it's good to have you, man.

Before we get into, like we talked about,

before, if we're the mainstream media,

we would spend 40 minutes grilling you about all the things

that you've done in the past and it is quite a list let's be honest I mean rightfully

so right but my sense of you having spoken with you is that you've moved on you

you're working in as a counter extremist now I think

you've really genuinely abandoned all the stuff that you had but just for anyone who

doesn't know you just give us a quick rundown of a little bit of your life story.

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