Hello and welcome to another bonus episode of the new abnormal and we thank you so much for being here.

Today we have an extra special guest with historian and journalist Thomas Frank.

If you don't know him, he co-founded and edited the bathler which was pretty much the

scene that got me into politics. He's also the author of books like What's the Matter with

Kids This and Listen to Liberal Among Others. But today he's going to talk to us all about his new

book The People Know, A Brief History of Anti-Populism. So Thomas, I live in Greenpoint, Brooklyn,

and if I look in any direction from my block, I see these signs that say, in this house,

we believe in science, Black Lives Matter, women's rights, our human rights, so human as legal,

all things which I think all three of us agree and believe in, but you've noticed that the

sign is missing something. Yeah, yeah, those are those signs are in my neighborhood as well.

I live in Bethesda, Maryland these days. It's a very affluent suburb of Washington, DC.

And I started noticing those signs what about halfway through the Trump years.

And, you know, and again, I agree with all the sentiments that these signs express.

The whole idea of the sign is it's supposed to summarize the credo of modern liberalism.

So it's all these different items. Women's rights are human rights, Black Lives Matter,

love is love. And then they've added it. Since I wrote the book, they've started appearing

with a couple other line items like water is life. And there's a couple, a couple of other

things, right? So there's water is life. Water is life. Yeah. Hydration.

I guess that's meaning there against pollution, right? Right. That makes sense.

Right. So these are like these are, yeah, we'll drink water. And it sounds kind of like Dr.

Strangelove. Do you remember that where the guy is really worried about the Soviets like

like sapping and impureifying our, okay, we're not going to go there right now. But any

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