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We are creatures who long to matter.

Not just to belong,

not just to be loved,

but to matter objectively.

We are a species that, for whatever reason, needs to feel that our lives are justified in some deep way. And that longing drives almost everything we do, our careers, our art, our politics, our religions, even our resentment.

When the longing is satisfied, we're good. When it collapses, we spiral individually and collectively.

I'm Sean Nilly, and this is the gray area.

Today's guest is Rebecca Newberger Goldstein, philosopher, novelist, and the author of a book called The Mattering Instinct.

It's a very ambitious book, the kind you don't see all that often.

In it, she offers something like a theory of human nature and argues that that longing I was just talking about

is wired into our psychology psychology for better or worse.

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