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Ambition 2.0

Why High-Functioning Depression Hits Ambitious Women the Hardest with Dr. Judith Joseph

Ambition 2.0

Girlboss

Entrepreneurship, Business, Careers

4.41.9K Ratings

🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda sits down with board-certified psychiatrist, researcher, and viral mental health educator Dr. Judith Joseph, MD, MBA, to talk about a form of depression that often flies under the radar: high-functioning depression. If you’re the one who “has it together” (the dependable friend, the rock at work, the caregiver who never drops the ball), but feel numb, exhausted, or joyless inside, this conversation is going to hit uncomfortably close to home (in the best way). Dr. Judith breaks down: Why so many high-achieving, caregiving women are especially vulnerable The science-backed difference between happiness (external, elusive) and joy (internal, accessible) Her framework of the five V’s of healing: validation, venting, values, vitals, and vision How people-pleasing and masochistic traits keep you stuck The surprising ways trauma, divorce, and “smaller” emotional wounds shape our ambition and burnout Why anhedonia (a loss of joy) is a red flag  How PMDD, postpartum, and perimenopause can amplify everything They also get into practical tools: how to set limits with toxic people you can’t fully cut them off, how to support a friend with high-functioning depression without shaming them, and why scheduling joy is needed. If you’ve ever thought, “I’m functioning… but I’m not okay,” this episode will help you name it, understand it, and start to change it. 00:00 Intro 01:39 Judith’s story of realizing she was depressed 03:19 Why high-achieving, caregiving women are vulnerable to high-functioning depression 04:41 The difference between happiness and joy 08:30 The five V’s of healing 11:06 What masochism really means, how it became “people-pleasing,” and why women self-sacrifice 19:27 Venting vs trauma dumping  24:16 How Dr. Judith reclaimed joy through play 33:08 How to support a friend with high-functioning depression GUEST LINKS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drjudithjoseph/?hl=en  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@drjudithjoseph  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmHQJaOerTsZJfOtiYz4sOg  Read High Functioning: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9780316577298  https://drjudithjoseph.com/ FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0 Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. DISCLAIMER This episode is sponsored by Bulova Crafted with over a century of heritage, the Bulova Rubaiyat collection fuses timeless design with modern femininity. From diamond-studded dials to sleek gold and silver finishes, these timepieces are proof that luxury should be anything but quiet. So, go ahead. Celebrate your milestones. Invest in yourself. Because time is on your side — and it looks so damn good on you. Discover the Bulova Rubaiyat collection at bulova.com. And get 30% off sitewide until November 28, 2025. https://bulova.sjv.io/c/3557746/3398415/16604 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This episode is sponsored by Bolivah.

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featuring diamond studded dials, colorful leather straps, and modern metallic finishes.

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It's luxury that never goes out of style.

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0:22.5

Get 30% off sitewide until November 28th, 2025.

0:26.7

We're always delaying our happiness.

0:28.5

We're saying, okay, let's just get through this right now.

0:31.4

It'll work out in the end.

0:32.9

And we just, like, hold our breaths for this thing to happen.

0:36.5

And in my work, understanding the science of

0:38.9

happiness, I know there's a difference between this idea of happiness and this experience of

0:44.2

joy.

0:53.8

Welcome to Ambition 2.0, the new podcast from Girl Boss, where we explore what it really takes and costs to have it all in work, life, family, and self.

1:03.2

I'm Amanda Gets, your host. I'm a two-time founder, four-time CMO, mom of three, and author of the book, Toxic Grit, How to Have Have It All and actually love what you have. I am so pumped about today's guests because I have been stalking her

1:16.1

on TikTok and one of my favorite TikTok binges, but she is a board certified psychiatrist,

1:22.0

a researcher, media expert who is making mental health accessible to a huge audience. Dr. Judith Joseph, welcome to

1:31.0

Ambition 2.0. Thanks for having me. I want to just dive right in because I feel like I'm going to

1:37.1

be seen, but also probably be called out in so many ways. You have the book, High Functioning,

1:43.7

which really dives into all things,

1:47.0

high functioning depression for ambitious women. Can you first just start by describing

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