Just imagine what your best Christmas ever would sound like.

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18 or over. Hello and welcome to the Red Box Politics Podcast on The Times, I'm Matt

Surely. This week I'm joined by three top colleagues from the Times,

columnist Daniel Finkelstein and Oliver Cam, and senior political correspondent Lucy Fisher.

In this week's show, we'll ask, can you vote for labour but not Jeremy Corbyn?

What is the point now of UKIP? Can you vote for Labour but not Jeremy Corbyn?

What is the point now of UKIP?

And what are the risks when a politician meets,

wait for it, an actual member of the public?

Right then, let's get started and we begin with Oliver Cam and the question of who we are really voting for on June the 8th.

Sometimes it's rational for an individual voter to make a choice that they know to be wrong,

not just intellectually untenable but morally reprehensible.

I will be doing this myself on the 8th of June by voting for a candidate of a party

led in job title if nothing else by a man who is totally unfit for public office and whose political

stances encompass positions that are variously

ignorant, absurd and contemptible. I expect neither sympathy nor agreement from

Red Box listeners. I'm merely urging a truth recognized by realist thinkers through

the ages, from St. Augustine through Machiavelli and to the great Protestant ethicist Reinhold

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