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I'm Damian Harris.

This is the first in a series of special Until Saturday episodes where I'll be talking

with college football figures about trends, changes, and fascinating topics. So be sure you're subscribed to the podcast so you know when these episodes drop. I am joined by a very special guest today, very near and dear to my heart, former New England Patriots teammate, running back, James White. James, my dog, so good to have you on the show. How you doing?

Doing good, man. Appreciate you having me on. I know you're doing my tie. See, I pass. Keep crossing,

man. I pass. That's how you know we brothers, man. We always find out a way to one another.

Well, listen, to get us started, um, obviously my tie, we rolled this weekend in Baton Rouge, got a big one in Death Valley. But I got to ask you, what is going on in Madison right now? Like, what's up? What's up with your badges? Yeah. No, not sure what's going on. Man, we've had like some up and down games. Obviously, we played some top tier teams to play Alabama. Got rolled by a couple of them. I know we're doing a complete 180 shift from what we were doing before. You know, we're trying to adapt. I mean, it's taking some time and, you know, the Big Ten's gotten better. You add teams like Oregon. I mean, I think next season for us is going to be a huge year, be fickles third year in the program. got to make sure we have the right guys that fit their system because then, you know, if it doesn't work in the third season, then, you know, all lives are going to be looking on him? Like, why are things working? Yeah, no, we've been talking about Brian Kelly. He's in that same boat, year three, not taking that next step. So I definitely understand that. Well, listen, it's crazy because there's only like three weeks left in a regular season, right?

We're only a month. not taking that next step. So I definitely understand that. Well, listen, it's crazy because there's only

like three weeks left in the regular season, right? We're only a month removed away from the

Heisman trophy ceremony. And that's kind of our focus today because I play with Derek Henry,

who won the Heisman Trophy at Alabama in 2015. James, you play with Melvin Gordon, who finished

second in the Heisman race in 2014.

We want to compare the experiences being on teams with some of the best players in the country.

We also want to take a look at some of the characteristics that those guys had,

that guys like Cam Ward, Ashton Genti, Dylan Gabriel.

We want to make that comparison to see what these young guys have compared to the guys that we played with.

And while we're talking about Ashton Genti, James, I want to get your opinion on what's going on with the running back position.

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