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🗓️ 5 June 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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The US president Donald Trump has imposed a full travel ban on 12 countries mainly in Africa and the Middle East, following through on a promise made in 2024 on the campaign trail. But why has the president chosen to implement the ban now, and how likely is it to survive a legal challenge?
The ban includes Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia and Libya. But there’s also confusion as to why Egypt remains off the list despite the president citing the recent attack Colorado's Jewish community, which was allegedly carried out by an Egyptian national. There are also partial restrictions on seven other nations including Venezuela and Cuba.
And, in another instalment of Donald Trump’s war with Harvard, he’s also suspended foreign students from studying at the university, which could have a big impact on Chinese students. Sarah’s been chatting to Nicholas Burns, a former US ambassador to China who now teaches at Harvard, about how the university should respond to the president, and what it’s like to negotiate in a room with Xi Jinping.
HOSTS: • Sarah Smith, North America Editor • Anthony Zurcher, North America Correspondent
GUEST: • Nicholas Burns, Former U.S. Ambassador to China between 2022-2025 and Professor at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government. He is also a Faculty Affiliate at Harvard’s Fairbank Center for Chinese Studies.
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0:00.0 | Well, he did it before in his first term, and now he has done it again. |
0:04.1 | President Trump is banning people from certain countries from entering the US, |
0:07.9 | and it is wider than before. |
0:09.5 | He's telling America, we don't want them. |
0:12.4 | So what should we make of this new travel ban covering 12 countries starting on Monday? |
0:17.6 | President Trump says it's for national security, |
0:19.6 | protecting the country from dangerous foreign actors. |
0:22.6 | He's being accused of bigotry and racism. |
0:25.6 | Why is you doing it now? |
0:26.9 | And will this ban withstand legal challenges? |
0:30.4 | We'll also be talking about how he's significantly ramped up his fight against Harvard University. |
0:35.7 | Welcome to America's with me, Sarah Smith and Anthony Zerker, |
0:39.0 | on the BBC World Service. |
0:42.9 | AmeriCast. |
0:43.7 | AmeriCast from BBC News. |
1:24.8 | America. I'm Oh Yeah Hello, it's Sarah here in the BBC's Washington studio. |
1:27.4 | And it's Anthony here with Sarah in Washington, D.C. So Anthony, |
1:28.5 | it is just about 11 o'clock of the morning for us here in America, which means it's nearly |
1:32.2 | four in the afternoon in the UK. There's plenty due to happen yet today. Who knows where the day |
1:37.8 | will take us? Let's start, though, with the big news that Donald Trump announced last night. |
1:42.5 | The recent terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, |
1:45.4 | has underscored the extreme dangers posed to our country |
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