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This is the Tom Hartman program.

Welcome back to our program and our guest for the day, Wendell Potter. He's the president of

the Center for Health and Democracy, the president of business leaders of your health care

transformation, the founder of tar bell, and the author of deadly spin and nation on the take,

two brilliant books you need to read. Wendell Potter is his W-E-N-D-E-L-L-P-O-T-T-E-R is his

Twitter handle or a business M4A or M4A underscore now. And Wendell, welcome back to the program. Tell

me the story of Jill Eiker and Ron Tanner. Thank you, Tom. I learned about Jill and Ron

just by going to go fund me and typing in the term, um, hide deductible and then sigma. And I saw

a whole bunch of people who have sigma health insurance. Now if I get interrupted right there,

you used to work for sigma. I did. I worked for sigma for 15 years that I left after a crisis of

conscience and partly because of what I knew was ultimately going to happen with people in

hide deductible plans. I left soon after sigma and other big insurers began pushing as many as

others as possible who have private insurance into hide deductible plans. And I knew then that

we would reach the point in which thousands, millions of Americans have insurance, but they're

functionally uninsured because of these hide deductibles. And those people include Jill and Ron

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