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Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Why Gutting SNAP Makes the Economy Worse for Everyone (with Lily Roberts)

Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer

Civic Ventures

Business, Government, News, Politics

4.8 • 1.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

The GOP’s new tax bill isn’t just a massive giveaway to the rich—it’s an all-out assault on SNAP, one of the most effective anti-poverty programs in the U.S. That’s because SNAP is more than just a program designed to end hunger. It’s also a powerful economic engine, stabilizing local economies as well as supporting retailers and farmers. Lily Roberts from the Center for American Progress joins us to break down how these proposed cuts will deepen poverty, weaken economic resilience, and hurt millions—especially in the very communities whose lawmakers are pushing them. Lily Roberts is the managing director for Inclusive Growth at American Progress. Her work focuses on raising wages, combating economic inequality linked to race, gender, and geography, and building wealth and stability for American families. Social Media: ⁠@lilyroberts.bsky.social⁠ Further reading:  ⁠SNAP Cuts Are Likely To Harm More Than 27,000 Retailers Nationwide⁠ ⁠SNAP Mythbusters Report⁠ Website: ⁠http://pitchforkeconomics.com⁠ Instagram: ⁠@pitchforkeconomics⁠ Threads: ⁠pitchforkeconomics⁠ Bluesky: ⁠@pitchforkeconomics.bsky.social⁠ Twitter: ⁠@PitchforkEcon⁠, ⁠@NickHanauer⁠, ⁠@civicaction⁠ YouTube: ⁠@pitchforkeconomics⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠Pitchfork Economics⁠ Substack: ⁠The Pitch⁠

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0:00.0

The rising inequality and growing political instability that we see today are the direct result of decades of bad economic theory.

0:11.0

The last five decades of trickle-down economics haven't worked. But what's the alternative?

0:16.0

Middle-out economics is the answer. Because the middle class is the source of growth, not its consequence.

0:23.2

That's right.

0:28.7

This is pitchfork economics with Nick Hanauer, a podcast about how to build the economy from the middle out.

0:36.9

Welcome to the show.

0:42.3

Things are getting really tough in the economy right now,

0:47.3

so we needed to make a little cut to this show today

0:51.3

by cutting Nick Hanauer off of it and replacing him

0:55.8

with a discount co-host

0:58.1

Paul Constant.

0:59.8

I have just brought the

1:01.7

average income of this podcast

1:03.9

way down.

1:09.1

Man, it's just a collapse, economic collapse on this podcast.

1:12.7

Yeah, but it's, uh, I, it's fitting, uh, for today's, uh, topic because, uh, the house just

1:23.1

recently passed it.

1:24.6

What do you call it, uh, Paul?

1:26.6

I know you love the name of the bill. Oh, my God.

1:28.8

Let me, let me just, it's, we're recording this on a Friday, so let's make it freaky Friday,

1:33.0

and we'll start with me ranting this time. I am furious at the journalistic malpractice going into the

1:40.9

coverage of the GOP tax bill, because every single time, I think three times in the New York Times recently, I have seen

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