We just don't have the capacity to replace every single car in the global fleet, you know, one for one with an EV.

And we don't have the capacity to just offset all the emissions of the global north as it currently stand in the distributions that they currently have.

Yeah. they currently have. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Adrian Buller.

Adrian is the author of The Value of a Whale on the Illusions of Green Capitalism and the Director of Research at Commonwealth, a left-wing think tank in the UK.

You might remember my previous episodes with Sabrina Fernandez and Molly Taft looking at climate change, looking at ideas of net zero,

and how technologies are being deployed in order to try to incentivize or give cover to this

notion that all we need is green capitalism and that will solve the problem of climate change.

Well, in this episode, we dig even deeper into that topic.

Look at how the finance industry, how the asset management industry is trying to position itself as the solution to climate change, even as many of the solutions that it supposedly provides, are mainly smoke and mirrors that don't deliver the benefits that we would expect and won't actually

make the difference that we need to make in order to reduce emissions to keep warming below

two degrees or even better 1.5 degrees. I will note that early on in this conversation for about

the first half of it probably, we talk a lot about finance and green capitalism. And, you know,

I guess it's a broader level conversation that doesn't get so much to the tech aspects of this.

But then the latter half of the conversation really digs into those aspects of it, the way that

the tech industry is involved in this, and how a lot of what they are proposing is not enough to really solve the

existential crisis that we face with climate change. I really enjoyed Adrian's book, and I think

that you're really going to enjoy this conversation. And of course, we start by discussing the

title of the book, the value of the whale, and where that actually comes from, which I think is really fascinating. If you like this conversation, make sure to leave a five-star review on

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